This series is an ongoing Q&A between Deacon Tish Harrison Warren (asking the questions) and Fr. Thomas McKenzie (answering) about ordained ministry. See the bottom of this post for an overview of the series.
Let’s talk about money.
This is often a dicey subject for those in ministry because we often think in grand terms of our noble vocation and calling, but also we want a job. This can be especially hard when some of our mainline friends make a lot of money in the ECUSA or the PCUSA.
So, when you are a new minister or a church planter how do you decide an appropriate salary for a clergy person?
How do you walk the line of being appropriately simple and not greedy but also not wanting your family to fear financial ruin if they get extra whip cream on their lattes (or whatever)?
As a church planter, how did you determine your salary?
Generally, how do clergy think well about their personal financial lives?
Church leaders do not determine their salaries. However, they do determine what jobs they will take, and the salary will usually be part of that determination.
There are guidebooks which are published every year. In these books are studies of ministry salaries. Both you and your lay leaders should get a copy of those guidebooks. In the ACNA, some dioceses have guidelines for clergy salary. All of these offer rough guides.
Remember, as in any profession, experience and education matter. So should cost of living for the area, what tradition your church is in, what your job description is, whether you can make money on the side, etc. Never forget that uniqueness is always valuable. You may bring something unique to the table which should factor in.
When you start a church, the largest budget expense should be, by far, the pastor’s salary. Then the salaries of other staff members. Then things like facility and equipment.
Salaries should ALWAYS be the largest expense of any church. Otherwise, what are you spending God’s money on? The building? Cool furniture? Advertising?
Sometimes people will say generically that we should spend money on “the mission of the church” instead of salaries. Don’t tell me that.
The mission of the church is led by leaders, and often paid leaders. The church and her mission, like anything else, rises and falls on leadership. Leaders should be paid appropriately because they are the church’s most important monetary investment. Your pastors are the ones who provide much of what the church needs: worship, preaching, teaching, pastoral care, and leadership in evangelism and in meeting the needs of the poor.
All that said, some smaller churches simply can’t pay much at first.
If you take a position like this, it should come with a plan for growth. It should be in writing, from the beginning. If it isn’t, then you’ll run into trouble.
It could be something like … The pastor’s official salary is $50. She knows that this church can only pay her $30 right now. But, her salary is still $50. Until the church is paying her $50, then the church agrees not to take on any other full-time employees or big-ticket items. The church also agrees to refrain from saving money until the pastor is paid. Some kind of agreement like that would help a great deal.
And, yes, if your goal is to make real money, work for a mainline liberal church. Or preach a health and wealth gospel. Or do the megachurch thing. Any of those seem to work.
Everyday Life of the Ordained: Series Overview
Part 1: Wearing a Collar
- When do you wear a collar and when do you not? How do you decide?
- Is there anything that you wouldn’t do in a collar that you would do otherwise (example: like smoking cigarettes)? Why or why not?
Part 2: Let’s Talk Vestments
- Some lower church Anglicans are moving away from vestments while Anglo-Catholics have very strong feelings about particular priestly dress in the service. How have you decided what you wear on Sunday?
- How about censers? You rarely use one. Why is that?
Part 3: Time, Life, and Family
- You take off Fridays. Many other pastors take off Mondays. Why do you take off a day a week and how did you pick Fridays?
- Are there work-hour boundaries or other “rules” you’ve put in place to keep a semblance of work-life balance or do you think that’s impossible with pastoral work?
- In the years of little ones—you know when your kids were sick all the time and didn’t sleep at night and you had very young kids, how did you maintain sanity at home as someone in ministry?
Part 4: Let’s Talk Money
- When you are a new minister or a church planter how do you decide an appropriate salary for a clergy person? How do you walk the line of being appropriately simple and not greedy but also not wanting your family to fear financial ruin if they get extra whip cream on their lattes (or whatever)?
- As a church planter, how did you determine your salary?
- Generally, how do clergy think well about their personal financial lives?
Part 5: The Pastor’s Personal Life
- Should a pastor talk about his/her financial life or sex life or marital struggles publicly ever?
- I’ve heard from some clergy say that you can’t or shouldn’t be close friends with parishioners. Do you agree with this? Why or why not?
- Can pastors be friends with people of the opposite sex? How have you and your wife decided what your boundaries will be for meeting with parishioners of the opposite sex or staff of the opposite sex? Why have you set those particular boundaries?